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Monthly Archives: February 2012
Wrestling
Posted by on February 28, 2012
Sambo
Posted by on February 28, 2012
A Russian martial art – essentially a mix between Judo and various styles of wrestling.
Judo
Posted by on February 28, 2012
You can toss people on their heads, and/or break their limbs and put them to sleep. – Random guy on Sherdog.com (talking about Judo.)
Boxing
Posted by on February 27, 2012
Championship Fighting – Explosive Punching and Aggressive Defense by Jack Dempsey (1950):
“To protect yourself with your fists, you must become a knockout puncher. And you may do that within three months, if you’re a normal chap anywhere between twelve and forty. By “normal” I mean healthy and sound-neither ailing nor crippled.
You should be able to knock out a fellow of approximately your own weight, with either fist, if you follow my instructions exactly and practice them diligently. And in six months or a year, you may be able to knock out fellows a lot bigger and heavier than you are.”
What to Train for Combat
Posted by on February 19, 2012
According to Bruce Lee:
“Someone who has trained in boxing and wrestling for one year, would beat someone who has trained in the traditional Eastern martial arts for 15 years.”
“If you want to beat the greatest black belt…take wrestling and boxing for one year.”
Change ‘boxing’ to ‘decent striking style’, and change ‘wrestling’ to ‘decent grappling style’. Mix the two and you’ll be a goddam wrecking machine!
Quote from Geoff Thompson – renowned British self-defence instructor:
“When people ask me where I put my son, I say I put him in boxing and Judo; because I know that in boxing, they’ll teach him to hit fucking hard in 6 months, and in Judo he’ll have a great back-up system” (quoted from memory.)
“The SAS use boxing and judo as the basis for CQB, so yea I’d say the two are pretty effective.” – Random internet comment on whether boxing and Judo makes a good mix [validity of comment unknown].
Decent striking styles: Western boxing, Muay Thai (Thai Boxing) and Muay Thai-based kickboxing.
Decent grappling styles: Judo, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Sambo, catch wrestling, Greco-Roman wrestling and freestyle-wrestling
Let’s look at some examples of older hybrid styles:
Bartitsu – composed of: Jujutsu, Schwingen, Savate [French kickboxing], Canne de combat, Judo, Boxing [and probably wrestling].
In 1902, [its creator] Barton-Wright wrote:
“Under Bartitsu is included boxing, or the use of the fist as a hitting medium, the use of the feet both in an offensive and defensive sense, the use of the walking stick as a means of self-defence. Judo and jujitsu, which were secret styles of Japanese wrestling, he would call close play as applied to self-defence.
In order to ensure as far as it was possible immunity against injury in cowardly attacks or quarrels, they must understand boxing in order to thoroughly appreciate the danger and rapidity of a well-directed blow, and the particular parts of the body which were scientifically attacked. The same, of course, applied to the use of the foot or the stick.”
And…
“Judo and jujitsu were not designed as primary means of attack and defence against a boxer or a man who kicks you, but were only to be used after coming to close quarters, and in order to get to close quarters it was absolutely necessary to understand boxing and the use of the foot.”
Defendu – composed of: Boxing, Cornish wrestling, Savate, Jujutsu, Judo, Pakua, Gatka
“Based on his training in boxing, early Judo at the Kodokan in Tokyo, and fights he was involved in during his police work, Fairbairn began to develop his own system of hand to hand combat, calling it ‘Defendu’”
Now we’ll look at some newer hybrid systems:
American mixed martial arts – Popular disciplines of each type include:
Stand-up: Various forms of Boxing, Kickboxing, Muay Thai [Thai Boxing], and Karate are trained to improve footwork, elbowing, kicking, kneeing and punching.
Clinch: Freestyle, Greco-Roman wrestling, Sambo and Judo are trained to improve clinching, takedowns and throws, while Muay Thai is trained to improve the striking aspect of the clinch.
Ground: Submission Grappling, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, shoot wrestling, catch wrestling, Judo and Sambo are trained to improve ground control and position, as well as to achieve submission holds, and defend against them.
Brazilian mixed martial arts – ‘Vale Tudo’: [Brazilian] Jujitsu, Muay Thai [Thai Boxing], Sambo, Wrestling and Western Boxing.
Japanese mixed martial arts:
Shoot wrestling has been influenced by many martial arts such as freestyle wrestling, Greco-Roman wrestling, sambo, catch wrestling in the beginning, and karate, kickboxing, Muay Thai and judo in the final stages.
Shooto, which added Muay Thai, Sambo and Judo
Shoot boxing, a Stand-up fighting league allowing standing submissions and throws
Shootfighting – catch wrestling and Muay Thai.
“MAC [Modern Army Combatives] draws from systems such as Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, Muay Thai [Thai Boxing], Boxing and eskrima.” – Wiki.
MCMAP [Marine Corps Martial Arts Program] according to some guy on the net [validity of comment unknown]:
“MCMAP is sort of like a killer version of MMA.
All moves are not to make the opponent submit, but to kill them or wound them.
So basically it takes a bit of many different arts such as:
Judo, Wrestling, Boxing, Muay Thai (Clinch work + elbows/knees), Karate and probably some BJJ [Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu] as well as some other things.”
“Krav Maga [Israeli army combat system]: Alongside techniques developed by Lichtenfeld, Krav Maga integrates techniques from traditional Eastern European streetfighting, military combat, Kung-Fu, Karate, Boxing, Muay Thai, Judo, Aikido, Western Wrestling and Ju-Jitsu.”
And…
“Training in boxing is highly prized in Krav Maga”
Why Combat?
Posted by on February 18, 2012
“The world has always belonged to the stronger, and will belong to them for many years to come. Men only respect those who make themselves respected. Whoever becomes a lamb will find a wolf to eat him. “
— Vilfredo Pareto
“Men are known by their fellows as “the sort who can be pushed around” or “the sort who won’t take any shit,” as people whose word means action and people who are full of hot air, as guys whose girlfriends you can chat up with impunity or guys you don’t want to mess with… In most social milieus, a man’s reputation depends in part upon the maintenance of a credible threat of violence… One’s interests are likely to be violated by competitors unless those competitors are deterred. Effective deterrence is a matter of convincing our rivals that any attempt to advance their interests at our expense will lead to such severe penalties that the competitive gambit will end up a net loss which should never have been undertaken.”
— Martin Daly and Margo Wilson (Evolutionary psychologists)
“When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature they will like the strong horse.”
— Osama bin Laden (don’t generally agree with the guy, but hey, it’s a good quote!)
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